A CLEAR Plan For The Regulation Of Cannabis In Britain

    Today, just over Oliver Cromwell’s shoulder in the Jubilee Room, in the heart of the Houses of Parliament, CLEAR is publishing the two most significant documents ever for the British cannabis movement.

    A Clear Plan for the Regulation of Cannabis in Britain

    Taxing the UK Cannabis Market

    Never before have the arguments for an end to the prohibition of cannabis been presented so cogently.

    Please, take this information and use it to advance the cause: to heal the sick, to break the stranglehold of alcohol and Big Pharma, to realise the potential of cannabis.  Help set Britain free from the evil of prohibition.

    • Anonymous

      Wish there was some way we could be there live with you guy’s on-line.Watching twitter all the time.Good luck all…

    • Anonymous

      We want equality in law. Keeping that in mind I wonder if there was any point in part 7. Licensed Production.

      I, with respect, do not think this is workable, because people who make wine and brew beer don’t have to pay a license so why should people who grow Cannabis?

      If it is to be regulated there has to be equality.

      Best of luck with it, I will be interested to hear the response from Cameron etc, probably the same old dismissive nonsense we always get.

    • Anonymous

      Wine and beer is not totally illegal in most places around the world.I fully agree that there should be equality, however would you prefer a regulated market and pay a modest sum for a licence or would you prefer to keep the status quo?
      We are in a world recession that looks to be getting worse not better.
      I personally would rather pay for a licence to legally grow my own rather than keep things the way there are now with dealers selling unknown weed for £10 per gram.
      I’m cynical about this as well and think the whole thing will just be poo pooed by our myopic ministers but at least we are trying to show them sense in a senseless world.I wish Peter and his crew all the best.

    • Anonymous

      I wish them all the best as well, I do question why the grow license was even included, there is enough to go on there without the need for that. It looks like it was put in there to bump the tax money numbers up to me.

    • Anonymous

      I know you are trying to do what you consider to be the right thing Peter, but I have to say, if I was a minister this would go in the bin. It isn’t considered enough, you should have consulted and spent longer on the figures. With regard to the cultivation license, it’s not workable and ministers will see that very quickly.

    • Anonymous

      Do you know of any other language that M.P’S understand more than tax?Sense and reason are certainly not a dialect they speak, so we must parlais in the only lingo they savvy-CASH!
      It sickens me when they try to make the subject out to be about health and welfare.If that were the case alcohol would be illegal(again) and peanuts would be a controlled substance!

    • Bob

      On a different forum the suggestion of a Debt clock style counter only for the cost of prohibition seemed like a good idea. £14 Billion a year works out to about £444 a second.
      At least if there were a physical ‘something’ to point at and shout at and make a noise about, that might stick in peoples heads (something to get angry at). At least that way an easy to access/comprehend tally of the cost would be available instead of the figures being hidden away in numerous documents. I have no skills in this area, so anyone that can do, should if they have any spare time.

      Keep up the good work…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Token-Ma-Weed/100001565642671 Token Ma Weed

      There is no way our Government would let people grow cannabis without a growing licence . I think it would really help to apply for a cannabis growing licence . I would have no problem with the police etc doing spot checks on my crop to make sure im not growing tonnes and to make sure there is no safety risks like causing a fire through faulty wiring as im not an electrician and the growing equipment can be very very dangerous if not installed correctly  . Do you really think the Government would let this happen without a growing licence after the years of hype around cannabis being toxic , deadly etc . 

    • Cshaws

      Hi flux5000

      True, home brewing is generally not licensed. But if you or I wanted to refine that home brew into a tot of whiskey (or whisky), vodka etc, then a licence is required and duty has to be paid on every drop produced. Same goes for commercial micro breweries. Home production is in fact legally prohibited by the fact that the government will only issue licenses for stills of a certain (very large) size which would be impractical, probably impossible, in the normal domestic kitchen. The government, of course, are more than happy with this lucrative arrangement even though ethanol is the biggest drug problem this country has. I’m sure most (illegal) home mini distillers (and there are a lot) would be happy to pay a  reasonable licence fee to produce sufficient hooch for home consumption. So the home brew analogy doesn’t quite hold up :^) 

    • Anonymous

      It’s bullshit, call it what you like but there is no way the majority of growers in the U.K. would have that. You would have people that have powers of entry to view your garden, sorry, just say no….

    • Anonymous

      The analogy stands up fine. As everyone knows most people are not even interested in distillation, most people are happy to settle for becoming expert at brewing beer or making wine.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, it doesn’t matter if it stands up or not because nothing will become of this anyway. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Token-Ma-Weed/100001565642671 Token Ma Weed

      Im not accusing you of anything here flux so dont take offence to this but the only people i know that dont want any sort of legal cannabis licence are drug dealers and growers who supply dealers . They are the only people who stand to loose out if the likes of me or anyone else decides to buy a cannabis licence and grow their own legally and safely  . As ive said before you have heard the scare stories from our Government , do you really think they will just say ok grow all the cannabis you want we were wrong .  

    • Cshaws

      “As everyone knows most people are not even interested in distillation,”  ????  Try
       http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=new+distillers

      and 

      http://homedistiller.org

      I think you will find that is just the tip of the iceberg.
      My comments were not meant to anger you (I apologise for doing so), merely to point out that there are similar controls already in place for alcohol but carefully crafted to benefit only big business and the taxman.   

    • Anonymous

      Hey, no worries, not angry, just matter of fact.

    • Anonymous

      Look, as I said, the majority of people that choose to make their own Alcohol do not make distilled anything. There may well be a lot of people that distill, but when you take ALL the people that brew beer and make wine as well it is a small amount.

    • http://twitter.com/TransformDrugs TransformDrugPolicy

      i believe you do need a license to grow tobacco

    • Anonymous

      Tobacco doesn’t have an effect such as Alcohol or Cannabis though.

    • Anonymous

      We would all lose out if we agreed to have someone walk into our house whenever they wanted. I never dealt to anyone, in fact since starting growing years ago I turned into a hermit!
      I would defend my right to privacy, it is very important, so I wouldn’t want someone marching in to inspect anything, I don’t care if people think it is better than what we have now, such infringements of liberty are outrageous to suggest.

      Amazed the 500% + rise in supporters Peter mentioned are not here talking about this.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Token-Ma-Weed/100001565642671 Token Ma Weed

      I dont understand where you are coming from when you say ” someone marching in to inspect anything ” . You do know that with a legal licence the raid squads dressed like soldiers that we read about busting grow ops everyday will not call to inspect your crop . It would probably be a new branch of police that would pay visits ( plain cloths no guns ) to make sure you stay within the law and the terms of your licence, and i for one would be proud to show my grow room to anyone that wanted to see it including the police grow room inspectors  . And with the amount off licences being issued you might only get paid a visit 2/3 times a year unless your complained about or dealing then the guns and riot police show up and march in . Anyone that talks about legalisation or normalisation of cannabis in the UK at the minute are dreaming plain and simple . And instead of poking holes and making digs at people why not come up with some solutions instead . This isnt UK420 we dont come on here and bitch all night .

    • Anonymous

      I put forward my point of view, you accused me of being angry, which I am not, although going off your last post one could say it’s you that appears to be angry, accusing me of bitching all night…
      You may not value your privacy but I do and so do many many others. And please don’t condescend to me with regard to being raided, I have been raided so I know what it is like.
      I could go on but I think there is little point, name calling is for juveniles….

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1200910295 Tommy Mason

      Only if you plan to sell it otherwise if its just for personal use your in the CLEAR.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Token-Ma-Weed/100001565642671 Token Ma Weed

      I never said you were angry at all  and you have been the one picking fights with your comments about Peter unless you have forgot . And boo who, you have been raided before , do you think you are the only one this has happened to in the UK , do you want me to feel sorry for you or something . All i was doing was informing you that a licence is the way to go – the only way to go at the minute and if you cannot deal with that , thats your problem not mine . If the licence scheme ever goes ahead ill be in the queue for a licence and you can keep hiding from the law risking jail or a heavy fine . Good luck to you .

    • Anonymous

      I put forward my view, which is that I find having people coming into my house objectionable. You talk of me bitching, you mention UK420. Off course I don’t think I am the only person to be busted and I certainly do not want anyones sympathy, it was you that started talking about police with guns coming into a persons home. You were informing me of your opinion, that you think it is the right way to go is your right, just like it is my right to find it objectionable. Maybe stop tokin’ that weed so much and calm down Token Ma Weed. We all have a right to our own opinion, well so far! Good luck to you too.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Token-Ma-Weed/100001565642671 Token Ma Weed

      ThenwhydontyoufuckofftoUK420outatheraodwhereyourbitchenwillbemorethanwelcome 

    • Alun Buffry

      I can’t think of any justification for taxing such a beneficial plant: actually taxation was first suggested a an alternative to prohibition in order to try to reduce cannabis consumption, way back in the 189’s by the first UK Royal Commission, the Indian hemp Drugs Commission.

    • Anonymous

      Oh dear… I thought school holidays were over…

    • http://www.peter-reynolds.co.uk Peter Reynolds

      Perhaps you should try thinking a little harder then Alun?

      The “justification” would be that it would enable an end to prohibition and a regulated system of production and supply.

    • http://www.peter-reynolds.co.uk Peter Reynolds

      It’s not a question of what I consider to be the “right thing”.  It’s about what is effective and likely to achieve change.

      As for your suggestion that “It isn’t considered enough, you should have consulted and spent longer on the figures. With regard to the cultivation license, it’s not workable”, it has been very carefully considered, the figures are correct and the cultivation licence is a very practical proposal.

      A lot of very clever, experienced and knowledgeable people have contributed to this plan and your simplistic and rude dismissal of it says more about you than it does about the plan itself.

      You are welcome to contribute to this discussion but if you do, please make it constructive and preferably have the courage to do so in your own name rather than some meaningless alias.

    • http://www.peter-reynolds.co.uk Peter Reynolds

      It’s all very well saying what you want but as my mother used to say “I wants don’t get”. I think we have to be a lot smarter about it than that and a lot less naive.

      Also, the comparison with home brew and home winemaking is false.  There is already a huge business in illegally home grown cannabis so attempting to equate these markets is just ridiculous.

      You see there has been a great deal of very careful consideration about these proposals.  I’m not suggesting they can’t be improved but I think you need to think a lot more deeply if you want to be constructive.

    • http://www.peter-reynolds.co.uk Peter Reynolds

      It doesn’t stand up at all as explained above.  You need to think about it much more carefully.

    • http://www.peter-reynolds.co.uk Peter Reynolds

      The tax income from domestic licenses would be very small. It makes no significant difference to the “tax money numbers” at all. The grow license was included because it is about being responsible and showing respect for community concerns.

      These are the sort of proposals that are likely to make a difference rather than demanding or wanting things in an aggressive way.

      With respect, I think it is you who needs to consider these ideas much more deeply.  While I might agree with your feelings, your tactics won’t get you anywhere.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sanj.chow Sanj Chowdhary

      I’m sorry, I for one don’t wish to promote cannabis consumption I think it would be irresponsible of anyone to claim that cannabis is a completely benign, and therefore I think taxation is the only sane mechanism by which to control consumption. As Peter highlights, it is the only way the politicians and wider public will accept an end to cannabis prohibition. The are always compromises to be made when negotiations take place. Unless of course you come from a position of ultimate power in which case you are able to dictate whatever terms you want!!

      We wish to take the movement forward, bring about much needed law reform……..someone mentioned the classic Einstein quote at the press conference yesterday “the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” We are trying new approaches to raise the profile of the cause, and employing new strategies to negotiate an end to such destructive laws.

      Alun I hope you know that I have a great deal of respect for you and some of the work you have done….but the baton has been passed on for the next leg, and we are going to run this part of the race in a fashion that suits us and our own skills. What hinders progress are those who are precious about their way of doing things, as great as the past may have been it is the future we are aiming for…………..

    • http://www.facebook.com/sanj.chow Sanj Chowdhary

      Don’t worry Bob it is already in development and will hopefully be launched in the next few weeks………

    • Anonymous

      What difference would it make if it were taxed?It just means that instead of paying a dealer for your weed, you’d be paying a regulated supplier and the government.With regulation comes tax, the only certain thing in life along with death!
      If you want to buy a bottle of whisky there is tax to pay.If you buy cigarettes there is tax on it.Even taking a shit these days involves tax in one way or another! Anyone who believes that a legal and regulated market could be free is probably smoking a bit too much! It’s difficult to find anything which isn’t taxed, directly or indirectly.This is supposed to be a movement to legalise a plant which has medical and recreational qualities which alcohol and nicotine both don’t have.In an ideal world it should be free for everyone but this is far from an ideal world and maybe we should start by just asking for a fee to be levied in order to have what the rest of the world doesn’t-the right to posses and use Cannabis, home grown or over the counter pre-packed.
      Cannabis is a powerful as well as a wonderful drug and with power comes responsibility.
      We are not talking about just decriminalisation, we are talking full legalisation of a drug which has psychoactive properties and demands a certain amount of respect as well as control in order that our borders don’t get clogged up with people from all over the world arriving on our doorstep and buying weed from anyone who wants to sell as much as they want, when they want and to whoever they want.There’s just no way any government would just sit back and say ‘go ahead and do whatever you want to’, especially in a great depression which we are going through now. 
      Currently weed goes for upto £10 per gram-straight into someone’s pocket.Would it not be better to be charged £5 a gram with £1 going to the treasury in order to get the UK back on it’s feet a little as well as £4 going to a regulated new business creating job’s and industry?
      One things for sure, by bickering about the fine detail in all of this, the greater picture is lost.It’s the freedom to posses and consume Cannabis which needs to be the first hurdle to overcome.It may seem a contradiction to say ‘freedom to posses and consume’, you may argue that there is little freedom in possessing a natural product-and you’d be right. However we are free to travel where we want to in the world, doesn’t mean that we are going to be given a car, petrol and a tax disc for nothing so we can travel to our destination.The truth is that freedom comes at a cost. Always has and always will.