There Will Be Blood On Cameron’s Hands If Lindsay Sandiford Is Executed

    Indonesian Firing Squad

    The ‘war on drugs’, the great, immoral evil that is prohibition, is responsible for the cruel and unjustifiable death sentence passed on Lindsay Sandiford.

    Cameron is one of the principal supporters of prohibition.  His irresponsible and hypocritical drugs policy, along with his co-conspirators in the US is what creates the climate in which Indonesia implements such harsh and inhuman punishments.

    Of course it’s true that cocaine can lead to death and misery but in reality it’s no more dangerous or harmful than alcohol.  It is prohibition that creates all the most severe harms around cocaine and leads to the situation where this poor woman has apparently been coerced into acting as a drugs mule.

    Cameron must bear his share of responsibility for the Indonesian death sentence.  If Lindsay Sandiford faces a firing squad, then Cameron and Obama will be members of it.  Make no mistake, they will be pulling their triggers.  They will be to blame.

    • Sour Alien

      Cameron couldnt care less.

    • maxwood

      Cameron is a “mule” for the Big 2WackGo oligarchy which drives US foreign policy.

    • MeeMan

      Anyone else see the subliminal message in Paul McCartney’s poster?

      The words in white read – “Smoking pot is wrong”

    • stickybud

      Which poster is this, MeeMan?

    • MeeMan
    • MeeMan

      Aww, don’t say that. I’m sure he could care far less, if you paid him to.

    • Sour Alien

      Ha yea i noticed it.

    • Sour Alien

      Yep, the only thing Cameron cares about is money and image.

    • MeeMan

      Image. That reminds me, someone wrote a message to him on his facebook page saying he’d “make a good-looking corpse”. LOL
      No, it wasn’t me. Wish I’d thought of it though. As death-threats go, it’s definitely one of the funniest.

    • weedol

      The anger is justified but I think this aimed at the wrong target. The UK abolished the death penalty in the 60s, has been an active advocate of the EU ban on the death penalty and supporter of the UN General Assembly call for a moratorium on all use of the death penalty. The UK has vigorously campaigned not only for clemency for UK citizens on death row abroad but also for abolition more broadly. When challenged recently on the use of the death penalty for drug offences they were absolutely clear in their opposition. I have no doubt they will fight hard for Lindsay Sandiford to be spared (and it is likely she will be based on previous cases).

      By all means have a go at Cameron’s drug policies but he has not advocated the death penalty for anything, let alone drug offences – and the coalition has been just as active as previous governments in opposing it in high level UN and diplomatic forums. In this case the blame lies squarely with the 6 or so countires still actively executing people for drug offences (in clear contravention of international law), with Iran and China being by far the worst offenders. More broadly, blame lies with any countires backward enough to maintain the death penalty atall.

    • stickybud

      I see what you mean.

    • stickybud

      It doesn’t matter that Cameron hasn’t advocated the death penalty: he lies about cannabis, and is happy to see respectable people go to prison, and have their lives destroyed, for growing a plant. I am comfortable with extrapolating this to believe that he also doesn’t give a shit about people being executed for drugs-related offences.

    • maxwood

      Maybe what he really meant was:

      PEOPLE ARE ANYWAY TO MAKE THEM INTO CRIMINALS i SUPPORT

      If McCartney apologizes and says he was careless about the sneaky hidden message etc. I will take his word for it. All he has to do is agree never again to use the filthy vulgar panic word “pot” (rhymes with “hot”, “shot”, “caught” etc.).

      Trivia quiz: what happened to Paul when he was 64?

      A. Some woman sued him for four hundred million dollahs…

      Re death penalty– at least that wasn’t as bad as what happened to John when he reached the age of (do the math) 60 DAYS AND 4 DECADES.

      How do they arrange this stuff?

      1. Four days later (Dec. 12, 1980) Frank “Light Up a Lucky” $inatra turned 65.

      2. Ronald “Chesterfield is My $igarette” Reagan appointed Sinatra Master of Ceremonies over his Inaugural Ball.

      3. In January 1981 Reagan gave $inatra a Presidential character reference to buy lucrative casino property in Los Vegas.

      4. That same month Lyndon “Anti-Drug Coalition” LaRouche recommended giving assassin Mark David Chapman a medal of honor for killing Lennon.

      5. LaRouchites rallied in jubilation over the elimination of “John London”.

      6. During the Reagan administration LaRouche allegedly had access to the White House to confer with somebody on the War on Drugs.

      7. They say Ol’ Ratface also visited regularly to have lunch wih “Just Say No” Nancy. My theory is he was conveying the latest instructions from Big 2WackGo on what Ron was to do next to prevent cannabis legalisation.

      Backstory: LaRouchite Carol White had published a book titled “The New Dark Ages Conspiracy” laying forth a LaRouche theory that the “British Empire” was smuggling drugs into the United States to ruin America’s
      youth. Lennon, arguably the most famous British subject then residing in the US (“more famous than Jesus Christ”) had been the target of $200,000-worth of Nixon legal effort to get him deported from the country.

      On December 8, 1980, at 1 p.m. Central Standard Time, Ms White appeared on a Chicago talk show claiming among other things that “Marijuana rots your brain.”

      Fact checkers alert: I don’t know when or if this lady appeared in the Honolulu market and whether that Chapman character was listening to his radio.

      Google “LaRouche” to find website– that old fa$cist is still alive so watch out everybody, and PLEASE whatever you do don’t rat on me!

    • MeeMan

      Dude, change medication.

    • http://www.peter-reynolds.co.uk Peter Reynolds

      That is a blinder Max! Have you been on the BIG2whacko fags or something?

    • Sour Alien

      Haha, good one. Staying on the subject of image, I dont know if its just me, but every time i see Camerons face i feel like giving it the biggest slap. Over privileged prick.

    • Sour Alien

      Damn, why does cannabis have to be so versatile as a plant! If it could only get one high, it would of never been prohibited ( I think )

    • MeeMan

      LMAO I swear, that exact same thought and compulsion keeps coming to me too, and I don’t even know why! Maybe because I just don’t like slimy hypocritical two-faced BS-ers, as I don’t have a problem with people being “privileged”.

    • Sour Alien

      I think it must be a natural reaction, when hes seen, to instantly feel hate and anger. He looks like a cowardly greedy disconnected sweaty fat faced fail. I think it would be unnatural not to feel some sort of animosity towards him. However, the local drug dealers remain comfy in their full time self employment getting young teens to risk jail time for pennies.

    • maxwood

      Good question. The wikipedia editor [[User:Mjpresson]] who led the posse to drum [[user:tokerdesigner]] out of editing cannabis-related articles, after the latter accused him of pursuing the Big 2WackGo agenda, stated, “I have never smoked a cigarette.” Turns out he was speciously premising that on a joint not being a cigarette. In fact, after tokerdesigner was disposed of, Mjpresson proceeded to post a [[WP:SPAM]] picture of a commercial 1-gram hot burning overdose “medicinal” joint, the “Americone”, on the [[WP:Joint]] article, without fear of the edit being reverted.
      (Mjpresson claims to be a medicinal cannabis user in a suburb of Sacramento, just a 2-hour drive from SF where the Americone is made. $$??)
      Years ago I tried a $igarette or two, got sick throwing up etc. like many another kid. Answer is to own a single toke utensil, and if for any reason you want to try a toke of that stuff, tear off a tiny pinch from the end of the $igarette (which you may have lying in a ziplock somewhere in your collection), place it in the screened crater, hold lighter flame an inch below the opening just as if it were cannabis, don’t ignite, just suck the vapours and forget about “smoking”. You’ll still get the famous beloved newbie nicotine symptoms, chills, nausea, dizziness, fainting, but in a relatively safe microdosage. So much for “education”.
      As to whether we’ll get shot for publishing that ramble about LaRouche, don’t forget he raised 40 million dollahs during his career and can afford the best– like maybe another James Earl Ray plus a Gun. (The voters soon after proceeded to elect James Earl (Carter) and (Ronald) Ray+Gun. Never underestimate Freud, don’t get me started on Goebbels.)

    • MeeMan

      I know as I have a few of them living not too far from me and they’re not dealing in green, which is sad both for their victims and for them too as they get hooked on it and so end up dealing to pay for their crap.

      We seriously need to get clean stuff onto our streets through Doctors prescriptions with the help of the entire medical profession and big pharma but both of them stand to lose millions every year if we do. They’re more interested in pushing their own addictive toxic crap than taking the humane approach of giving clean heroin and coke to addicts that have no fear in coming forward.
      The second we get someone with the balls to make that hard and media-hating choice, we can get to legalising the softer stuff and properly informing the public of synthetic toxins like SCRAs.

    • Sour Alien

      Well on the subject of harder drugs, i think the more harmful a drug is the more legal regulation is needed. BUT, most people dont get legalizing heroin and cocaine, they have it in their mind that legalization advocates a free for all where one could buy heroin filled syringes from waitrose. They seriously cant see the dangers of prohibition because thats all they know, they dont know we are in the worst case scenario because seeing heroin addicts in the gutter or gang violence in the street is almost normal to them. So i agree, we need to inform the public and everyone we know. So we legally regulate cannabis, im sure that when the sky doesnt fall in and associated crime/harm declines, regulating harder drugs might be the next step. But im sure they would want to test the waters with cannabis first.

    • MeeMan

      The simplest way to regulate Heroin and Coke is to hand it over to doctors for Heroin and Coke Recovery and Maintenance programmes. It would be cheaper to pay for it through NI payments to the NHS than through increased insurance policies after someone has been burgled or had a car stolen for drug money.
      At least then, they’d know it was clean Heroin and not some crap mixed with Vim or Chalk or rat poison in it. More importantly for the rest of us, it would be free to the “addict” that needed it to stabilise their lives, and when they’re psychologically and emotionally ready to take the step, to be weaned off it properly, through a gradual process. No more financial problems for addicts getting their stuff, no more selling their bodies or their stuff or anyone else’s stuff for drug cash, no more fear and paranoia from the Police just for ending up an addict from a mistake.
      Wait a second… I’ve made an obvious political mistake there… I was talking sense. We can’t have that sort of logic, can we? Not when big pharma, alcohol, tobacco, drug charities and NHS workers rely on the illegal drug trade to bolster their pay. What was I think?!!

    • MeeMan

      It seems Hawai’i is taking steps to bring things forward. Here’s a link -

      http://www.ccguide.org/news/shownewsarticle.php?articleid=18606

    • Sour Alien

      I know what my next holiday destination is then ;) lol

    • Sour Alien

      Agreed, sense and logic dont make money. Its a shame but a fact that an industry exists for ruining lives. The question i always get asked is, ‘if im say a 21 year old who never tried heroin, and it was available on the NHS, what would stop me from buying and trying?’ I have tackled this, in my opinion, asinine question a few times with different approaches, i would like to hear what you would say?

    • MeeMan

      Because it’s rated at about 99% instantly addictive and has unpleasant withdrawal (the “cold-turkey” approach can leave one with horrific nightmares and trauma that merely increases the need for the drug to ease the suffering rather than helping to fight on), I wouldn’t like to think it was available for purchase. I’m not in favour of a market for it. I’m in favour of a free prescription to addicts who, out of one reason or mistake or other, tried it and ended up unwittingly addicted. It would be more humane and cheaper for us to pay for it up front and give it away than to pay for the fallout of crime that exists with it not being available to the needy who may not be able to pay for it without committing a crime.
      After all, that’s what we do for addicts of prescription drugs, from codeine painkillers to anti-depressants, and of course with tobacco and alcohol.
      To put Heroin on a market stall would be just inviting the curious to try it more easily and thoughtlessly, even with the health warning on the packet.
      For relatively “safe” drugs, like Cannabis, MDMA, Khat etc., then I could see them being sold under licence the way we sell Alcohol. For more dangerous ones I’d suggest a huge health warning and perhaps a “Human Consumption Not Advised” label, with a list of ingredients, dose limit and side-effects; as we have currently with prescription drugs.
      Basically, warn and advise with decriminalisation, and limited purchase as with Aspirin.
      But that’s just me.
      If your question was about whether or not I personally would try heroin if it were available to be bought, then No, I wouldn’t buy’n’try. Even if I were looking for a strong painkiller for a Med-Kit, the strongest I’d get would be Morphine, and that would only be for the most serious of incidents where Codeine wasn’t strong enough, such as a broken leg or car crash victim etc.

    • maxwood

      Link didn’t work, can you re-set it?

    • maxwood

      Another idea I haven’t seen anywhere is organicise: offer addicts willing to visit the clinic a chance to try shofting to a 25-mg single toke of sifted dry coca leaf or poppy petal etc. (yes, in a long-stemmed one-hitter, choomette, kiseru, midwakh or sebsi) and see if that could entirely replace the pharmaceutical frankenstein. Needless to say in 40 years in USA I haven’t heard of anyone here trying those things, either an addict or a newbie just experimentin’ with less threatening alternative.

    • maxwood

      Erratum– ominous-looking “shofting” should read “shifting”.

    • MeeMan

      I can see where you’re coming from but kind of missed the facts a little. If you’d read through the Home Office’s own records of the House of Lords minutes then you’d see their own pharmaceutical advisors talking about Heroin being “not harmful” to people in appropriate doses.
      We can make clean cut Heroin here and give it freely and, to the tax payer -really cheaply, to addicts and get rid of the methadone and methadrone crap. Let’s not forget that one of our own MPs was a Heroin addict and instead of being arrested and having his life destroyed the Gov’t gave him help with prescribed Heroin when his body craved it. So let’s pass up on substitutes and give the people what they need and not what “philosophers” in Office think they should have instead.
      We really need to get away from “alternatives” and get back on track with “real solutions”. No offence intended.

    • MeeMan

      I’ve just tried the link and it worked fine for me. Try again. If it doesn’t work I’ll reset it.