‘This House Would Legalise Cannabis’, University Of Exeter, 29th November 2012

    Watch the video of the debate here including interviews with Peter Reynolds and Peter Hitchens.

    Peter Reynolds of CLEAR and Dr Stephen Davies of the Institute of Economic Affairs for the proposition.

    Peter Hitchens of the Mail on Sunday and David Raynes of the National Drug Prevention Alliance against the proposition.

    • http://www.facebook.com/clever.jake.5 Clever Jake

      Well done Peter (Reynolds not Hitchens) and Steven Davies for this sensible and level
      headed debate on your side of the debate. As for Hitchens, his verbal nonsense was up to his usual standard where he tells lies of biblical proportions. Hitchens is using as his main argument a case that I have great sympathy for the person he says has been effected by
      cannabis use(in his opinion it was only cannabis that is to blame). His argument is deeply flawed and in your part of the debate you countered his argument by stating that children should be kept away from cannabis due to a child’s brain has not developed fully but his
      tragic case states that this person started smoking at the age of eleven. Cannabis should never be used by children and this may have been partially responsible at this very young age along with other factors like alcohol and stress. Professer Nutt has previously stated
      that there has not been an increase in psychological disorders even though strong cannabis has been widely used since the early 90′s.

      Hitchens sidekick also made some preposterous lies and implications about his analogy of
      illegal cigarette smuggling to suggest that criminals would not be effected by the legalisation of cannabis is preposterous. Criminals smuggle cigarettes for a very simple reason, they are making money due to the high level of taxation that is placed on cigarettes and the criminals are either importing cigarettes that have no tax or a much lower tax rate than the UK’s. Cannabis can be produced at a cheap price by a licensed grower, it can be grown by each individual user or it can be grown by users in a cannabis social club similar to Spain,s social cannabis clubs. If there are no profits to be made the
      criminals would not sell cannabis any more because they would not have any demand any more.

      Saying over a million youths are unemployed because of cannabis use is idiotic, it’s due to the fact that their are no jobs and if cannabis was legalised people could be employed in this industry, thus creating jobs. More lies are now been spouted by saying cannabis is the gateway drug when studies (facts) have stated the opposite. I know that Hitchens and his co-debater are trying to debate here but they resorting to underhand tactics and lies and they would only have any credence if they used facts instead of using imbecilic lies.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2000/nov/06/drugsandalcohol.drugs

      http://www.examiner.com/article/study-alcohol-is-more-of-a-gateway-drug-than-marijuana

    • maxwood

      I find it unfortunate that your good and able arguments for cannabis are “compromised” by the perceived need to agree that children must be shielded from any at all contact with it. Early-life cannabis literacy, in the form of understanding (a) the difference between “smoking” and vaporization and (b) the difference between a HBOM hot burning overdose monoxide drug cocktail– 500-mg-per-lightup cigarette, joint or spliff– and a 25-mg-per-lightup single toke (in appropriate narrow screened utensil, not a paper torch) COULD PREVENT the #1 worldwide cause of morbidity and death, tobacco $igarette addiction (6,000,000 DEATHS per year, see Robert N. Proctor, “Golden Holocaust”).

      Apparently Peter can’t get away with saying that, so I have done so under my obscure pseudonym from a distant liebrewery computer. Ask Nick Clegg (unrepentant addict?) why HM Government and drug commissions etc. warn against youth contact with cannabis while ignoring the fact that in MILLIONS of UK families children routinely inhale ETS environmental tobacco smoke on a day by day basis, get hooked, and eventually pay $IGARETTE TAXES supporting government and its popular programs which contribute to incumbent reelection prospects.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hugh.anderson3 Hugh Anderson

      I was quite disappointed with the debate. Peter opened the debate
      with isolating the prohibition stance of cannabis being dangerous.
      Rather than 5 mins of factual breakdowns of myths and the debunking with
      the opposing facts there was that beeline to the net gain and
      confirmation of cannabis as dangerous, both to children and
      comparatively with harmless aspects of life. The pompous opposition only
      needed to highlight ‘greed’ and danger for the following 1hr to win a
      flawed argument.

      The argument of high children isn’t sensible.
      If a man can incredulously pose that anyone advocates the profiting of
      poisoning kids and wins the debate (while brazenly slandering the voting
      audience) then serious issues need be addressed.

      I recognise
      the tactic of conceding respective dangers but it immediately warps the
      context of the issue. ‘Protecting kids’? As you said Peter, it’s
      prohibition itself which puts children at risk in the first place.

      Prohibition of hemp is effectively criminalisation of people. Had the
      twerp lambasted the audience as stupid criminals who should pay the
      penalty for breaking the law, I’m sure he wouldn’t have won the debate.

      The debate was basically Hitchens hour of bs.

      The potential of the good that could’ve been conveyed and educated was totally sidelined and that was saddening.

      In a world of greed, promoting cash only works on the obscenely wealthy.

      To
      put it into perspective, the moment the man bleats about a poison, he’s
      scuppered because cannabis is non-lethal. Has been for time immemorial
      and remains so even at the ‘disturbingly potent THC levels’ in
      circulation.

      If defending the medicinal value of the mild
      sedative opiate, then only acknowledging 3 health benefits while
      contrarily agreeing it’s a dangerous poison peddled to children wont win
      any brownie points. Gave the cancer cell killing power quite a wide
      birth.

      But the mother of all disappointments through this debate
      was the evasion of the mental health benefit Snuffleupagus in the room.
      Woe, just woe. The entire opposition argument could’ve been flattened
      by merely pointing out the anti-psychotic effect of cannabis, how
      prohibition has promoted a distorted plant and how without prohibition
      the anti-psychotic medicine can be reached by those in need and
      no-longer hold the misrepresenting stigma.

      But I realise there
      was a truth in the opposition argument that made the proposition fall
      deafeningly quiet. So did the audience. Rather than repealing the unjust
      law ..’where it can’t be safely regulated and taxed’ (unsuitable for
      capitalism) .. legalisation is the only answer as decriminalisation
      doesn’t mean it isn’t an arrestable offence.

      Seeing as
      Legalisation is the debate, sadly you didn’t win. I’m very very sorry
      for that. I was gutted. I may not agree with legalisation but
      prohibition makes one a criminal for use of a non-lethal near panacea
      with hardly any negative side effect, non of which being permanent.

      My respect and support to you Peter Reynolds and the CLEAR party.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hugh.anderson3 Hugh Anderson

      It’s important to note what a crime actually is, and what common law recognises a crime to be. Harming others is a crime. A plant cannot harm people. Unless in bullet form or turns a human into a big green rampaging giant, it remains legally harmless and has been so through human history up until when falsely contested in the 20th century. Imprison people who intentionally bring harm to others, not for puffing dried plant – that IS crazy.

    • maxwood

      Hey Hugh, you blew it, how could you refer to cannabis as a “sedative opiate”? For better or worse, gllad it was Peter not you at the debate.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hugh.anderson3 Hugh Anderson

      Max, you couldn’t have just mused on various points raised but instead pick at a non word perfect comment?

    • http://www.facebook.com/shaunne Sudama Das

      Shame that the fact that cannaboids are produced in breast milk was never mentioned amoung the lengthy benefits …..

    • MeeMan

      Nor that the cannabinoids in breast milk were accidentally found, by a cancer researcher, to kill off cancer cells; as was shown on a T.V. documentary some years ago.