Why Are So Many MPs Incapable Of Common Sense On Drugs?

    Prof. Nutt And Dr King At the HASC Drugs Inquiry

    Or is the truth more sinister?

    I don’t know but I do know that I shared David Nutt’s evident frustration with some of the attitudes demonstrated by some members of the Home Affairs select committee yesterday.  You can watch the hearing in full here.

    Given their reaction to David’s expert advice, you could be forgiven for thinking that Michael Ellis, Lorraine Fullbrook and Nicola Blackwood were there as representatives of the alcohol industry to pour scorn, disrespect and little short of abuse on the evidence of a scientist who is infinitely more experienced and qualified than them with their short sighted, bigoted and, frankly, rather slow uptake on reality.

    I expect these three preferred the evidence in April from the three high priests of propaganda: Mary Brett, Kathy Gyngell and Peter Hitchens.  It is appalling that we have badly informed, clearly prejudiced individuals like this in parliament who arrogate to themselves the right to impugn the integrity and value of Professor Nutt’s evidence.

    Michael Ellis

    “Isn’t it irresponsible…”, says Michael Ellis, castigating Professor Nutt for his solid evidence-based comparison of the harms of cannabis and alcohol when Ellis himself is part of a government that maintains the deeply irresponsible,  immoral and discredited policy of prohibition.  He seeks to demonise all drug use, suggesting that drug users display addictive behaviour which means they have to get the money through criminality.  The man seems completely blind to the fact that 99% of all drug use is non-problematic, that the most addictive drug of all is alcohol and that prohibition is the cause of acquisitive crime that funds addiction.  Watch the video though, David Nutt destroys Mr Ellis’ argument with great elegance.

    David Winnick

    David Winnick, the tenacious Labour MP, says he has “…a good deal of sympathy…” with the view that the laws on cannabis should be relaxed.  Dr Julian Huppert, the Liberal Democrat MP is also focused on evidence rather than tabloid scare stories.

    “So it’s better for people to have lung cancer than liver cancer”, says Nicola Blackwood, in a disingenuous retort to Professor Nutt’s advice that a regulated cannabis market would reduce harms from alcohol.  Perhaps Ms Blackwood is a victim of the British Lung Foundation’s propaganda from last week.  She certainly does manage to miss the point entirely.

    James Clappison also misses the point.  He see no reason why when we already have “legal drugs” that cause harm, why legalise another? “The world wouldn’t be a better place if more people smoked cannabis.”

    Nicola Blackwood And James Clappison

    Well Mr Clappison, perhaps it would?  Putting that aside though, it would be a far better place if people weren’t criminalised for a victimless crime based on the false claim that cannabis is prohibited because it’s harmful.  No politician of integrity should ever support such an intrusion into personal liberty when it is based on misinformation and deception.  It is unjust and undemocratic to penalise someone, potentially to ruin their life,  for choosing a drug that is demonstrably far less harmful than “legal drugs”.

    Lorriane Fullbrook attributes the gang violence in Latin America, money laundering, human trafficking, smuggling and illegal firearms to “drug misuse”, failing entirely to see that these are the harms of prohibition and that harms would be greatly reduced in a responsibly regulated system.  She then goes on to talk about “new entrants” if drugs were legalised, overlooking the overwhelming balance of evidence that shows drug use decreases in regulated markets and, far more importantly, so do harms to both individuals and society.

    Lorraine Fullbrook

    Ms Fullbrook also seeks to characterise the Independent Scientific Committtee on Drugs (ISCD) as a “legalisation group”.   The inquiry has not, as yet, heard from any such group (unless you count the Global Commission).  It has heard from the extreme prohibitionists but the other side has not been put.  The ISCD consists of independent, scientific experts and although Ms Fullbrook clearly doesn’t like its evidence, she is wholly wrong to portray it as a political force.  That’s what CLEAR is and I’ll be happy to take that flak from her if she’ll listen to Professor Nutt’s evidence as the scientific expert that he is.

    Ms Fullbrook’s true colours are revealed when she attempts the absurd distortion that Professor Nutt advocates  “…cocaine, heroin and cannabis free(ly available) in local shops.”  Are we not entitled to expect far more intelligent, honourable and reasonable debate from senior politicians?

    Professor David Nutt

    Are we not entitled to expect far more humility, reason and consideration from all our politicians?  As David Nutt said, since the last HASC drugs inquiry, 10 years ago, nothing has changed and things have got worse.

    Politicians need to accept that they have got this policy wrong, for too long.  Now is the time for courage and common sense.

    • UniversalMan

      I really do rarely swear, so forgive me, but I was absolutely fucking disgusted by Nicola Blackwood and Lorraine Fullbrook. It was an absolutely disgraceful and unforgivably ignorant parade. I am infuriated by their brazen diatribe against the respectable Prof Nutt. It is so sickening.

    • Focusonpeace

      Depressing! Them arseholes wouldn’t see sense if it slapped them in the face. 

    • http://twitter.com/thewr0ngchild Cheryl Taylor

      Sensible cannabis law reform would actually help us manage hard drugs much easier. By preventing the every day cannabis user from having to go to drug dealers, most of whom do NOT sell cannabis as their main product, we would actually be helping deter people from harder drugs! Dealers frequently push heroin, cocaine and other hard, addictive and damaging substances onto people who just want a few ounces of cannabis for personal use. Going to your local off license and being able to buy, with the correct ID at 18 years of age, your cannabis, and being able to grow say 6 plants for personal use at home, would mean cannabis users no longer needing to lurk around in the shadows on sink estates to get their cannabis. At your local sink estate drug dealer, there is no requirement to show ID, and no legal contract between the seller and buyer that cannabis will not be supplied to anyone under the age of 18. The money paid for cannabis, to a drug dealer, will fund other huge social problems such as gun crime, knife crime, gang related activity, smuggling, people smuggling, illegal immigration, and even the child sex trade. Regulated sale of cannabis would be taxable, meaning the money cannabis users pay for cannabis can be put directly into society, helping to solve some of these social problems, helping to prevent youth offending, and providing education on these real problems we all face as a society. Cannabis prohibition is a vicious circle, wanting to tackle these issues is being hindered by dirty money in the hands of dirty people. If you want to tackle the problems that come with hard drug use and supply, your first sensible step is legalising and regulating the use of cannabis.

    • http://www.facebook.com/HolyMessiah Benedict Watson

      I’m starting to watch the inquiry and it’s mad, most of the politicians have no concept of what Nutt is saying, they live in thier offices all day playing with people like pawns. Cannabis is proven to be less toxic than alcohol, thats all the evidence you should need but these bizarre spins and twist the government put on it cost us (the taxpayer) millions a year and for what, a generation who are forced out of employment by criminal records which state they have been caught hiding away trying to smoke a quiet joint but got caught by some stuck up police officer who genuinely believes that everyone knowing he has broken the “law” will help rehabilitate him!? What the F*** happened to freedom!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/HolyMessiah Benedict Watson

       Exactly, cannabis isn’t a gateway drug, the hard users who also sell it are the gateways. They look to get money anyway possible with no regard for anything but themselves. The only ID a dealer needs is a £20 note!

    • http://paper.li/LegaliseRealise/1328308684 Mark Baker

      The attitude of some of the MPs during this inquiry is utterly, utterly disgraceful. They clearly have already made their minds up and no amount of scientific evidence is going to change their mind. Thankfully we have Julian Huppert and David Winnick there to provide a voice of reason amongst a panel of bigots.

      Their disrespectful attitude towards Prof Nutt was appalling. Unlike them, he has performed exhaustive research into drugs and their harms. They act like he has something personal to gain from decriminalisation/legalisation of any substances… when, in fact, he’d be out of a job if they actually listened to him!!!!

      Why have independent experts when they are ignored? It is time to remove politicians from these kind of decisions and let them get on with ruining the country in other ways instead. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZBUMUAWWJMMV2P6TGTL7BTKSII dDevilsReject

       Most MPs don’t have common sense at all. Which is why 40 years later we are still having a war with some plants!

      I think the plants are winning!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Badbluffer-Jones/100002358136758 Badbluffer Jones

      Theresa May’s carefully considered response to Prof Nutt’s evidence after 2 hours is to reject his advice out of hand because some people she talks to have had a bad experience. What about the MILLIONS of users who have no problems?

    • cshaws

      What astounds me is that none of them, apart from the baldy bloke with the blue tie who smelled the coffee but didn’t quite find the percolator, seemed to twig that ‘legal highs’ exist because ‘illegal highs’ are – well – illegal.  If the drugs they mimic are made legal to use the ‘legal high’ would largely just go away. The ‘legal high’ business in many ways is far more dangerous and immoral than the ‘illegal high’ business because these substances are pedalled with no long term history of use. At least the majority of ‘illegal highs’ have a history and their long term effects are known and understood.  Evidence of the panels blissful ignorance was further enhanced by the Ellis duffer when he mentioned Black Mamba without the faintest idea of what it is.  It’s a pantomime of fools with one or two semi-exceptions.

    • Robert Grantham

      Notice how the MPs on the right seem to be on Google on their iphones! At one point he actually questions David Nutt when referring to his iphone! Looks like they just wanted to win an argument rather than hear useful independent information. I find nothing more disgusting than small minded unintelligent people in positions of power. 

      The way he was treated as an expert witness was disgusting, the polititians were talking and laughing on their phones throughout the enquiry. Disgusting.

      Best freudian slip goes to Lorraine Fulbrook “Drugs terrorism in Holland!”

    • ChristopherSawtell

      She then goes on to talk about “new entrants” if drugs were legalised, …

      I think she is talking about new commercial enterprises entering the cannabis distribution market-place.

      She is wanting to know how the market might be controlled and regulated.

      I think we – the CLEAR paid-up membership –  should work out what we, collectively, want to see in the future and let her know.

    • http://www.peter-reynolds.co.uk Peter Reynolds

      This is the current CLEAR policy on cannabis regulation. It sets out exactly how a regulated market would work. We are intending to revise this shortly, the first step will be consultation with members.

      http://www.clear-uk.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/CLEARplan.pdf

    • freespeechoneeach

       Let them take responsibility for the death toll of legal highs alcohol and tobacco. Let them take responsibility for putting other factors, (i.e. political convenience) before the lives of citizens who would, if given the choice, choose safer drugs over the officially sanctioned killers. Let them take full responsibility for the way things are now under their costly vanity project prohibition, or let them be seen for what they are, traitors selling British lives.

    • ChristopherSawtell

      Thanks. It’s an interesting document but it needs a lot more detail.

      We have to get it almost to the stage of having a parliamentary bill ready to go to the printers.

    • ollydogg

      At about 12:01:55 – A little flatulence

    • ChristopherSawtell

      This charade of a select committee hearing brings the whole ethos of the United Kingdom Parliament into serious disrepute. I feel ashamed to be a British citizen. It is obvious that almost all of the committee members have very little, if any, prior knowledge of the subject matter they are supposing themselves to be making decisions about. They seem to have totally failed to do any intellectual preparation for the hearings. If they had they would not have been referring to their papers and computers on an almost continuous basis, because they would “just know” what they were supposed to know.

      This is not how select committees are supposed to work. They are not courts of law and treating an expert witness as if they are a criminal by subjecting them to harsh cross-examination is totally inappropriate and counter-productive.

      Committee members: Take note that the world is watching your every gesture and hearing every word. So behave yourselves. Listen to what the experts are trying so hard to tell you. If you don’t understand what you are being told, then ask questions politely. Do not immediately assume that scientific evidence is incorrect because it is at variance with uninformed tittle-tattle you may have heard circulating during visits to your constituencies.

      If you really want to know what is happening in the real world beyond the stifling confines of your work place I’d like to suggest you take part in on-line discussions set up by the social-media, newspapers, and ginger-groups.

       

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    • Focusonpeace

      Sure do, We know prohibition causes more damage than cannabis, but I think our MP’s have ties with the black market.

    • maxwood

      a.  Little attention was given to the either/or equation: would increased access to cannabis at an affordable price– also for minors– result in a substantial drop in tobacckgo and alcohol purchases and use?  What are the medical costs of the part of today’s nicotine addiction which would never have been created had cannabis been available? 

      (Yes, I do know that CLEAR, like everyone else with anything to lose, is careful to assert its opposition to all “cannabis use by minors”.  Technical methods of use which prevent abuse and overdose, such as Vapouriser, Cannabinoid e-cigarette and One-hitters, along with a strong opposition to media glamorization of “the joint”, will help resolve this.)

      b.  Perhaps the above is the very point Mr Clappison misses.  It is for the very purpose of ELIMINATING the now-legal drug which causes most harm– 700-mg hot burning monoxide $igarettes, 6 million deaths/yr– that legalizing cannabis is present duty.  Under Pipe-Safe, millions of already-addicted nicotine “smokers” could start to fearlessly imitate the cannabis users, serve 25-mg single tokes, and buy 1/14th as much tobacckgo the rest of their life even if they don’t quit.  (A similar profit margin fate may await the marketers of 24-ounce non-resealable cans of alcoholic ueberdosis.)

      c.  Your main problem with the politicians is, I think, that they are in bed with the tobacckgo companies which use embedded-in-media hatefearteasing oops sorry adverts to scare youngsters into nicotine addiction resulting in huge revenues ($igarette taxe$) to the government, which the populistic politicians would rather not have to replace by raising some OTHER tax.  Cannabis at a truly competitive price– instead of the present ten to twenty times as expensive as tobacckgo– will DIVERT millions of youngsters from nicotine addiction and PREVENT huge future government expenditures treating illnesses caused by $igarettes, thus compensating for the loss of the $igarette tax bonanza.

    • Robert Grantham

      More people need to know about vaporising and edibles, otherwise the smoking debate will stop this from progressing. They will just continue to deamonise smoking cannabis in the same way of tobacco, although there is no evidence cannabis is cancer causing

    • ChristopherSawtell

      Too True!

      I’d like to suggest that in a fully legal environment it would be possible to make it a chewing-gum ingredient.

      a) Many users will be comfortable with this ingestion route, which is essentially the same as the legal liquid skunk from GWP.

      b) Defined, controlled, and colour, coded doses would be easy to set up.

      c) It would be possible to titrate the dose at the time of use.

      d) Complete elimination of any lung damage.

    • steve a

      Edibles I agree about but with some vaporizers costing more than my entire annual gas bill your cry for more of the same is going to be wasted.  Unless you are prepared to do something really radical and suggest that those supplying them are nothing more than profiteers and because of this every bit as morally repugnant as the criminals they help keep in business.

    • ChristopherSawtell


      Edibles I about but with some vaporizers costing more than my entire annual gas bill

      Some vaporisers do indeed seem very pricey, but one can take the vapour in a number of ways. By increasing cost:
      A) Merely by heating your bud on a stove hotplate with a jam-jar over the herbs. As soon as you can see the vapour rising draw the jar to edge of the hotplate, insert a plastic drinking straw with a flexible section and inhale. Cost so close to $0.00 that it matters not.

      B) Use a simple metal one hitter, heating the herbs with a paint-stripper heat-gun on low heat. I found a Wagner heat-gun eminently suitable. Use directly with lips on the other end of the tube, or collect the vapour in a soft-drink bottle over water in a bucket. Take care to be sure the dose is correct as it is impossible to titrate.

      C) Use a io-lite vaporiser[1] from Oglesby and Butler Ltd. in Ireland. I find this to be ideal, and the cost is ( only ) 120 Euros.

      There are many others, but I have no experience of them, so cannot comment.

      Note that vaporising yields a far better bang for buck than burning your precious herbs. Expect cutting your consumption of vegetable matter by at least a third. So getting a vaporiser is actually an investment.

      [1] http://www.iolite.com/index.php/euro/iolite.html

    • Robert Grantham

      The money I have saved already in weed costs would pay for 10 vaporizers over, so yes in the short term vaporisers may seem expensive but they really are much cheaper than smoking a joint which is very inefficient.

      I am always surprised how little an amount i can use. Also its great to vape with friends who would otherwise never try cannabis. Not everyone likes to smoke. We have to make the good weed avaliable to all the people

    • http://www.facebook.com/clever.jake.5 Clever Jake

      It is quite astonishing at the quite brazen disregard that the MP’s who have no qualifications in making decisions about drug use and it’s effects to try and discredit the well respected scientist Professor Nutt. The MP’s are using hate and mind-numbingly stupid comments that are all lies as arguments that would only appeal to the most hardened imbecilic dumb right wing Daily Mail readers(only some of them). Do the MP’s not realise that they are behaving like complete buffoons in lying like this and that most people are more up to date and knowledgeable on this subject in the modern age of the internet, news and science and there scare tactics only might have worked about 100 years ago.

      Shame on these MP’s deliberate lies in this enquiry and the world is moving on in getting rid of prohibition with two US states now having full legalisation, Portugal and Uruguay are going for full country legalisation, and many other countries have partial legalisation and decriminalisation and are moving to remove prohibition. Why don’t these MP’s harangue their own colleagues Like David Cameron, Borris Johnson, Louise Mensch and George Osborne just to name a few MP’s that have used cocaine several years without any police questioning or jail time For the rich elite whilst the common pleb goes to jail?